Tuesday, July 08, 2008

Inner~View #43: Growing Your Pastor

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Growing Your Pastor Praying Pastor ~ Ron, who is Growing Your Pastor written for and what prompted you to write this book? [click headline to order]

Ron Gordon ~
Phil the more I spoke with people the more I saw the lack of respect, the lack of prayer and fasting as well as financial support for our men and women of God. Pastors were not seen as God’s anointed, but rather as someone just holding a job. I also saw pastors that were being well received, however, their messages did not at all line up with the word of God. I do not mean the differences we may have as different denominations, but clearly not true Christian messages. The people who supported them did not know the difference between a lie and the truth. Therefore, I wanted to grow attention to supporting our new and longer established pastors, as well as, the responsibility we all share to know and receive only the truth. I am not a writer, simply a home builder. I have no skills to write, but really felt God wanted me to write the book . It was only through much prayer and fasting that God wrote the book through me, as it is far above anything I am capable of. I hope most of all the people who read it will stop and think .


Praying Pastor ~ This book would never have been written 100, even 25 years ago. What has changed in and around the Church that makes your message timely and important?

Ron Gordon ~
My Grandfather was a Baptist Minister for over 50 years, starting in the early 40’s. I have been fortunate enough to have people read this book, remember him and send me pictures of them being baptized in the river in southern Illinois. Then people, as well as the church, were very different. The majority used to be honest, moral, caring people, mostly from small towns and farming communities. It was then typical for the father to be the head of the household and to provide a living while the mother upheld the homefront. I being 60 now, have seen how well Satan has used time wisely through the advances of our televisions, radios, and computers. We the church have lost at least one generation and maybe even more to the pull of the flesh; a message that if it feels good do it. We also are tied down by families where both parents must work, so everything has changed. Then I see where popular television ministries promise us the world if we give to their ministry, but seldom do we get the message we need, just the message we want. God’s word tells us how to act and behave, how to have a prospered life, but we want it the short cut way. Jesus said several times when you pray, when you fast, when you give, however, we have become falsely educated to a false word in many cases. As a general group, we do not read the bible ourselves, we do not stop and pray in thanks giving or even in repentance, we pray in wanting for our own personal fulfillment. We must start understanding who God is, and what He demands. A big part of that is to honor His truly anointed men and women. David understood this and we must learn from him, as he had Gods heart. The church has moved with society and expected God to move with them . God has not nor will He move, so we must turn towards Him, there is no other way.


Praying Pastor ~ What do you mean by "grow" your pastor? What are some examples?

Ron Gordon
~ I thought about the title a lot. Many times we look at our pastors as an employee, that we must have control over, either directly or through boards. I wanted everyone, especially those controlling types of people to understand, yes, we must know our pastors are truly God’s anointed and not the devil in our pulpit that God’s word warns us about. Yes new young men and women must be held to speaking only the truth, and when a mistake is made correct them in love and humility. However, for the most part it is a message about the need to fix ourselves and keep our hands off God’s anointed. I have pointed out numerous examples in the book, however, how many times has the church sent the pastor and spouse to a weekend away just to grab a few moments to themselves. What about offering to watch their children every once in awhile and send them to a movie and dinner? Also, we need to be sending them to many different schools or conferences where they can be fed and filled with different and new ideals. Many pastors could simply be helped by washing the car and mowing the yard after they have been many days and hours in the hospital with those in need. The examples are endless, one short coming is making funds available for the youth to attend seminary, where they could learn and pray without the worry of debt. Only God can grow a pastor, we can ,however, provide many things. Prayer and fasting for our personal pastor is one of the most needful and the least seldom done.


Praying Pastor ~ Why is this a book every pastor should read before passing it on to their congregational leaders?
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Ron Gordon ~ ~ First, I believe most pastors are truly trying to be God’s servant to their people, and do not feel free to ask for help in many areas. They to must come to the true understanding of God’s word that they are God’s anointed, and should be treated as such. Also, with so much false doctrine being published daily, every pastor making available or giving out books must first really see if it is the truth. Pastors who have prayed over the books and asked for God’s spirit to help those who read them will be pleased with what the people learn from the book . As with all good things it comes only from God not anything man has written, especially me.


Praying Pastor ~ Share a comment or insight on:

Ron Gordon ~
  • How to express authentic care, church member to pastor > We all have many things in common: finances, time requirements, etc. However it really is very simple, of all things love is the greatest . If we really care and love our pastors then simply saying a short prayer, "God what is it that I can do to help your servant" and in doing so understand the pastor is truly God’s not ours, we will find answers to what each pastor needs.
  • Balancing care and accountability > This is a big one. I think accountability has to be first and foremost . Without accountability we will have even more false religions than we do now. I know every pastor with the right heart has no problem being held accountable; they actually welcome it when done in love and humility. Care can rarely be overdone. When pastors are cared for correctly they have time to spend with God; quality and quantity time with God is so important and usually the first thing pastors give up trying to provide for their members. If we all understand in our own lives, if we are honest with ourselves we know it is easy to hear our flesh yelling out, it is easy to hear the devil provoking us, and it is most difficult to hear that small still voice, the spirit of God. How can we expect a pastor to hear from God in a few seconds over all this and many hundreds in the congregation complaining as well?
  • The pastor's family > Let’s face facts here; typically PK's (pastor's kids) have a horrible tract record. God’s word is very clear, only a heathen neglects his family. If we as members of a church do not give time for the pastor to first and foremost be a Godly father and a Godly spouse, do not expect much from the pastor, they simply are not in order. If the church is in order they will not only love and want the best for their pastor, but understand that is God’s priority that their pastors are head of the home first. God, Family and then the members of the church.
  • Financial concern for the pastor > Somehow over time and I believe with Satan’s help we have come to believe that pastors should be poor, humble people waiting on the hand out of a few good hearted members every Sunday. How short sighted! If we could even begin to understand the concept of eternity and our souls, and who’s responsible for the most important aspect of our lives while here on earth, we would start to begin to understand the financial worth of a pastor. There must be godly people who will stand up in our churches and speak about giving, about love, and the blessings of being a part of God plan for their pastor. The worth of a pastor is not what happens just at the church building and other functions - if we understand hell what is the person who helps prevent us from going there worth ?
  • Resistant pastors > I have now had even more time and experience with many pastors, blessed with having dinner and sharing time with some of the largest ministries in this county to the smallest 25 person congregations, and have learned many things. There are no good Godly resistant pastors; there are some who will feel uncomfortable with expressing their needs and the need that we should be taking better care of them, but those are small issues. The others who have false ideals, bound in the spirit of religion and pride should not be supported. If we all really want to get closer to God, closer to doing His will, we will only follow someone wanting to take us in that direction. That road is narrow and very straight, truly resistant pastors are not on that road.
  • The role of prayer as a care component > Prayer cannot be over emphasized. I wish if anything is learned it is what happens when someone or a group of people show up at their church and start praying for God’s will that day, praying for the service and the pastor, praying for the message, praying for the lost to come in and praying for members to go out and get the lost . What truly happens in a church? I am sorry to admit , but I fear that most churches have never had God’s spirit and God’s plan as the focal point of their services. God can do so much when invited to and when we get ourselves out of His way, but that comes only by prayer, fasting and the diligent seeking of His will.


Praying Pastor ~ Ron, please write a prayer for the pastor who needs the love an care of the congregation and lacks courage to flag their need ...

Ron Gordon ~
Father of Moses, Abraham, Joseph, Isaac and our Lord Jesus. You have clearly given us the stories and lives of these and others, how they were drawn to you, and also Father how they each had needs and issues, not one except Your Son was able and even then you sent angles to minister to Him. I pray for your anointed men and women today that you would turn your eye, give your ear to their needs. Father let us all learn to lean only on you, that you are our support and we can be your support to those who you would have us to help. I pray that you would use each of us to provide love and support and be small part of your plan, that we can truly establish heaven on earth.

Father, I pray that we today understand what was told us by Moses, that our pastors deserve to be rewarded for their works. I would pray that you would by your spirit give our pastors boldness that they each could let us know their needs and be able to do so without fear of false thoughts of the people. I pray for men and women to hold the arms of those standing in the gap for each of us. Help them let their needs be know so that they can serve you in a better and mightier way and we may in love of you , provide for those you put over us. Father, let pastors teach in a new boldness what has been hindrances to them that others can be helped as well. Father, most of all I pray every pastor and every congregation would truly understand in their hearts of hearts that you are our provider, and only in you will we learn to trust. Father, I pray every pastor will draw closer to you, with understanding of your plan of a servant’s heart, as well as knowing they answer only to you, and in the Fathers love are to be our head.

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Friday, July 04, 2008

On Prayer Mountain ... or, in Prayer Valley?

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Have you ever noticed in the life of Jesus that mountain revelations were often followed by valley applications? No sooner had Jesus ended his spectacular sermon on the mount than, coming down, He was confronted by a leper (Matthew 8:1). Truth taught on the mountain, had to be applied. Later, the almost unbelievable experience of transfiguration, complete with the re-appearance of Moses and Elijah, was met on the down-side of another mountain, this time with a man crying for Jesus to help his son who was an epileptic (Matthew 17:15).

The unique glory which had shown in the face of Jesus on the mountain now had to be applied to the daily hurt of the valley. Yet again, Jesus stood on an appointed mountain and delivered what we have labeled, "the great commission" (Matthew 28:19-20). But wait! Just as I was about to make an application, the Gospel of Matthew ended. What did Jesus do to apply His commission? Oh, He left the application to His disciples, you say? You mean we are the ones who are responsible for applying His mountain words - going, making disciples, baptizing, teaching, etc.? Bummer, just when I was enjoying the solitude of mountain revelations. Truth revealed on the mountain, can never camp out there for long. Calls from the valley hurry us downward.

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Wednesday, July 02, 2008

Pray with Both of Your Minds!

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Discerning Prayer!

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There is a wonderful old story of a group of blind men who had each found a different part of the same elephant. “What is it?” one cried to another. “A tree,” said the one who had taken hold of the elephant’s leg. “No, a rope,” said the one who had his tail. Each had a different answer – a snake, a fan, a wall, a spear! Each had only a piece of the elephant and not the whole. A cognitive approach in prayer gives you a piece of data, an emotive approach another piece. What is needed is not a left or right brain prayer experience, but a holistic approach.

First, quiet yourself and frame your need for discernment or direction to God in prayer. Describe the problem or the unrealized potential. Detail it. Lay out the pieces as you would with a counselor. Do it audibly, not merely reflectively. Ask God in yes or no termsShould I move? Should we sell this house? Should I marry this person? Should I take this position?

  • Praying with the left brain (Thinking Prayer) – Subordinate the decision to noble life purposes. “God, you are first. I don’t want to do anything to damage my life purpose, your calling, or my relationship with you.” Write down the positive aspects of the choices you have, and then the negative. Are there any indicators here of enhancing or hindering my spiritual life in these choices? Is God in all this? Star the important items. Where is the strength of the list – on the positive or negative side? Is there anything inconsistent with Scripture or your desire to make Christ Lord?
  • Praying with the right brain (Feeling Prayer) – Subordinate the decision to faith. Inventory your feelings. Are you fearful of anything? Write down your responses. Are sensing something that you cannot rationally define? What would you do if the limits were removed? What is wild and dangerous, the daring response? Is there a creative option, an out-of-the-box possibility? Try to “step into” one of the options above – how does it feel? Like trying on a new suit, ask yourself, “Does this fit me?” Gut reactions are telling. Instinct is an important predictor of inner congruity.
  • Praying with the Heart (Sensing Prayer) - What is your heart telling you? Do you sense peace? What is right and noble? What would Jesus do? The heart dreams better than the head does – is this a part of what God has been calling you do? Does it answer an inner yearning? Satisfy a hunger? Respond to a call that has been laid aside or repressed for more rationale choices?===>Click headline to access complete article . . .

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Tuesday, June 17, 2008

Surprised by Reasons for Stubborn Sin

Why Can't I Shake My Sins?
A surprising answer to a stubborn problem.
by Kevin A. Miller

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Why Can't I Shake My Sins?

A man came to see me. It was the beginning of Lent, the original "40 Days of Purposeful Repentance."

"Pastor," he said, "I want to confess my sins." And in tears, he spoke honestly and openly about the sin in his life—nothing illegal, most known only to him, yet serious, and he wanted to turn away from it. We talked and prayed together, and he left.

Forty days later, he came back.

"How are you doing?" I asked.

"I haven't made much progress," he admitted, his eyes unable to meet mine.

In his agony was a question I've often asked: "Why does sin so stubbornly remain in our lives?" He and I both want to change more than we have and more than we do.

I've heard many answers, ranging from "You just haven't gotten serious enough about turning away from your sin" to "You need an experience of greater or entire sanctification" to "You need an accountability partner" to "You need to let go and let God." All helpful, to a point, but they didn't seem to fit this man hunched over in front of me.

So I read several classic books of spiritual devotion. Their answer was not what I expected; in fact, it was the opposite.===>Click headline to access complete article . . .


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Tuesday, June 10, 2008

Commune Deeper

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Ten Ways to Deepen Communion With God

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Here are ten ways to deepen your communion with God:
1: Sit quietly. Enjoy the very real sense of His presence. Let him lead. Don't rush the moment. Let his peace renew your soul.

2: Listen. Listen deeply. Tune your soul to His stillness. Listen to the rumblings of your own soul, and let God quiet your inner storms. Be still before Him. "God speaks in the silence of the heart. Listening is the beginning of prayer." ~Mother Teresa.

3: Yield to God's action. Let him come near. Let him move around you, encircling you. Put yourself in a "Here am I!" position.

4: Let God speak. Avoid the temptation to break a holy silence. He may speak through scripture, through a life-experience, through the memory of some history you share with Him. Listen for any word the Spirit might bring.

5: Keep a prayer journal. Record you impressions and thoughts. Note scripture references. Write down promises you make to God and those you sensing him making to you. Make notes of action items - things you are led to do; and change points - things you are led to change.

6:The essence of the prayer relationship is love. Let God love you. And then, express your love to Him. Let Him lead with love. Let Him love first.

7: Take a walk. Drop everything. Go and get alone with God. Or, take a drive. No agenda. No list. Just a spontaneous encounter with God.

8: Then go to your secret place. Get your journal. Write. Record the fresh insights.

9: Sometimes you may find yourself at a parallel to some moment in Scripture. What is happening to you has happened to David or Paul, or some other Biblical character. Let the Bible give you language that expresses the depth of these encounters with God. The Psalms are especially helpful in cultivating our prayer vocabulary. Athanasius, the fourth-century Egyptian theologian said, "Scripture speaks to us; the Psalms speaks for us."[1]

10: Sing. Shout joyfully. Dance. Celebrate his presence. Glorify him. Give voice to the deep sense of his presence. Be spontaneous. Be grateful to and for a God who pursues you.
Weep. Weep deeply over the wonderful grace of his embrace. Tears have a way of cleansing the soul. Weep joyfully. Weep over the wonder of why he loves you so.

[1] Quoted by Eugene Peterson, "Praying by the Book," The Contemporaries Meet The Classics on Prayer, ed. Leonard Allen (West Monroe, LA: Howard Publishing, 2003) 53.


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Thursday, June 05, 2008

Time (and a place) to Pray

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Monday, June 02, 2008

Inner~View #40: Prayer Society Revolutionizes Congregation


Praying Pastor interviewed Pastor David Hoffman of Foothills Christian Church


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Praying Pastor ~ David, your story is compelling - Tell us how the Lord revealed that "prayer is the single most important activity in the Christian life" ...

Pastor David ~ I had planted a church with my brother and we had been working extremely hard for approximately 7 years with little results. One morning in my devotion I read 1 Corinthians 4:20, “The Kingdom of God does not consist in words but in power.”

It was like a light went on in my spirit. What we needed to be successful for Christ was first and foremost the power of God. I also saw that the Kingdom of God was simply the presence and the power of the King. Where Jesus’ power is His kingdom advances. Without God’s power we really can’t accomplish much (John 15:5). Also, I came to see that if we don’t pray for God’s presence and power in general we’re living without it, we ministering without it. As James said, “You have not because you ask not.” Therefore, pray becomes of utmost importance for any believer.


Praying Pastor ~ You have the heart of a pastor but you ask "why are we failing to win America for Christ?" with the passion of an evangelist. What is the correlation of prayer and our ineffective evangelism?

Pastor David ~ We’ve looked to programs, systems and people to show us how to win the lost, not to God. Each local is different, if we want to win the lost we need to get down our knees and ask God for wisdom on how to do it. I’m not saying that we shouldn’t use ideas that work, only that first we need revelation and vision from God. We need God’s presence and power to show up when we speak to the lost, this happens when we pray.


Praying Pastor ~ One of the fruits of your journey in prayer, is the establishment of a Prayer Society in your congregation. How has it made a difference in both the spirit and growth of your church?

Pastor David ~ Our Prayer Society was started as a way to challenge Christians to pray. In our church we had 1050 people sign up for the latest six month pledge commitment. For six months they pledge to do the following:

1. Pray a minimum of 2.50 hours each week.

2. Attend church regularly.

3. Support the church’s ministry through my tithes.

4. Strive for holiness and obedience to God in my daily life.

5. Pray regularly through prayer lists which will be compiled at the church every two weeks.

Within the first two years of our Prayer Society the church doubled and our facility was too small; after three years we reached our goal of ministering to 1000 children and youth a week. People began to purchase my sermon c.d.’s at a rate we had never seen before. In all areas of ministry the measurable results were astounding.

In the last 14 years our church has grown from a small church of 150 to an average attendance of 2500, 60 ministries, 124 small groups, 24 Bible clubs in our local public schools, 4 youth centers a K-8 school and a high school. We minister to 5500-6000 children and youth a week and 250 college age men and women. Since we started praying, 4 out of 5 City Council members are Christians and 4 out of 5 High School Board Members are Christians. All this in the State of California; hardly what you would call part of the Bible belt!


Praying Pastor ~ You have written "it is vital that we all develop a prayer discipline to increase our prayer lives and our effectiveness." How would you counsel a busy, overworked pastor to begin this journey on a personal basis?

Pastor David ~ As Pastors, we need an anointing from the Holy Spirit to preach, teach, counsel and lead effectively and the way we get this anointing is through prayer. James says if we ask for wisdom we will get it. Prayer and the anointing it brings will help any pastor be more productive, discerning and effective.

Prayer must come first! If I know I have a busy day, a difficult day I know I must spend time in prayer. Why? Because I want God’s anointing and influence manifested in my life.


Praying Pastor ~ We met at a prayer retreat for pastors; over four dozen leaders from a diversity of denominations and generations. Why is it important for a pastoral leader to be in spiritual fellowship with other pastors and ministry leaders?

Pastor David ~We, as Pastors, are the gate-keepers, the watchmen of our cities. There may be times that if we work together we can accomplish great things for God. I’ve found working with other Pastors brings synergy to the cause of Christ in a community. We sponsor a periodic luncheon here at the church to facilitate Pastors getting to know one another. It’s been a tremendous blessing.


Praying Pastor ~ David, please write a prayer for pastors to personally discover how prayer will change their world...

Pastor David ~ Dear Lord Jesus,

Let your power and presence be felt from the pulpit of your Pastors here in America. Convict your servants that in their own strength can do very little. Fill church leaders with great hope for the future if they rely on you. Make all of us depend on you so as to reach our full potential in your kingdom. Come Lord Jesus and remind your leaders that you house shall be a house of prayer



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Friday, May 30, 2008

Launching Personal Prayers from The Lord's Prayer

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We are committed to helping the Church in their corporate prayers and also in their personal prayers because both are essential in our personal lives and in our desire to see our community changed.



Personal Prayer From the Lord's Prayer

We are committed to helping the Church in their corporate prayers and also in their personal prayers. You probably know that the Lord's Prayer has been a pattern of my own personal prayer life for many years. Praying this prayer has consistently been my deepest and richest times of prayer. Recently, as I was praying through it, this chart came to my mind. (Sorry I am so "left brain"!) I share it with you with the hope that it might help you appreciate and apply this prayer more effectively.


Down the left hand side are the seven petitions of the Lord's Prayer. The middle column brings the requests out of history and places them within our reach and realm. The right-hand column is a Scripture related to the request which allows us to pray the request more from God's perspective. You can "point" this prayer in many different directions - your family, your congregation, your city, missionary friends, etc. I invite you to use it as a launching point for some of your prayers.


The Lord's requests

The desired time frame, place and standard

Related Scripture

Let Your name be holy

"This day" (He wants us to pray in this manner each day)

"On earth" (Our world - home, school, work, etc.- is the place He wants these requests answered)

"as it is in Heaven" (just as earth is the target of our prayers, Heaven is the standard for them)

John 17:6 I have revealed Your name to those whom you gave me out of the world

Let Your kingdom come

Romans 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit

Let Your will be done

Mark 12:30 - 31 "Love the Lord your God with all your heart... soul... mind... and strength... Love your neighbor as yourself."



Give us this day our daily bread

Phil 4:19 And my God will meet all your needs according to his glorious riches in Christ Jesus.

Forgive us as we forgive others

Matthew 6:14-15 For if you forgive... your heavenly Father will... but if you do not forgive... Your heavenly Father will not forgive.

Lead us not into temptation

1 Cor 10:13 No temptation has seized you except what is common to man. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear... he will provide a way out...

Deliver us from the evil one

Luke 22:31-32 Simon, Simon, Satan has asked to sift you as wheat. But I have prayed for you, Simon, that your faith will not fail. And when you have turned back, strengthen your brothers.

Thanks again for your prayers. If you click here I will know that you have taken these requests before the Throne. (This will take you to a page thanking you for your prayers and we will be able to see who clicked on this link)
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Sunday, May 25, 2008

Contemplating Contemplative Praying

NPPNote ~ A close friend forwarded the text below because it raised strong concerns about contemplative praying. My comments are indicated by ===>

Contemplative prayer is based in spiritual formation, it teaches the use of spiritual directors, and it teaches that we need to center ourselves in prayer.

===>Prayer is a dimension of spiritual formation and contemplative prayer is a type or praying that has been integral to the Church since the early fathers.

These terms and phrases are found nowhere in the Bible, nor do they have any Biblical basis.

===>Neither is the term Trinity or the phrase "pray to receive Christ" found in the Bible. Biblical basis is not limited to one-for-one terminology.

Some who advocate the use of contemplative prayer use Psalm 46:10 where it speaks of being still before God to justify this practice. In context, the command to be still has nothing to do with letting go of our thoughts and feelings for the sake of some mystical experience with God. It speaks of trusting God even when the difficulties and troubles of life come. The Psalmist's exhortation is to acknowledge God as sovereign over our life's events and to rest by faith in these truths in order to keep from succumbing to fear, doubt, and discouragement.

===>Absolutely correct ... and if contemplating the truths of God's nature in a quiet manner helps you focus on these wonderful mysteries (from which mystical derives), that is not a bad thing. Plus, how long do we think about an idea when it becomes contemplation? One minute? Fifteen?

Biblical meditation does not involve emptying our minds but rather filling them with truth according to God's Word. We are not to just meditate, but we are to meditate on the Word, a process in which the mind is active and engaged. Joshua 1:8 says, "This book of the law shall not depart from your mouth, but you shall meditate on it day and night, so that you may be careful to do according to all that is written in it; for then you will make your way prosperous, and then you will have success." Thus, the purpose of meditation is to know God by His Word so that we are careful to live in a way that honors Him. Meditation is not for the purpose of achieving some extra-spiritual oneness or closeness to God, as if we can take our Christian faith deeper through means other than trusting and obeying God's Word. John 6:29 says, "Jesus answered and said to them, 'This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent.'" It is with faith that we please God (Hebrews 11:6) and it is by faith that we grow in Him (2 Corinthians 5:7).

===>Correct, we are not to empty our minds but submit them to the work of the Spirit. the Hebrew term for mediate in the scripture referred to above (Joshua 1:8) is "to mur-mur" - a repetition. Empty-minded or senseless ("vain" in Matthew) repetition is of course to be avoided.

Spiritual formation's idea of "silence" implies that we can find God within us as if turning our minds off leads us to Him.

===>I have never seen this in any spiritual formation material I have seen. The only place I see this kind of explanation is from those who are predisposed against it. Plus, isn't the Holy SPirit in the "inner man" that Paul speaks of in Romans?

Granted, God indwells believers, but we find Him by seeking Him by faith according to truth, not by trying to find Him in weak, fallible humanness, let alone in nature or some pagan, mystical experience.

===>It is impossible to understand faith or truth or any word/concept without some form of contemplation. Pagan and mystical are not synonymous. The evangelical church, in fear of pagan mysticism, has a very shallow view of God's majesty and fear of experiences of His Spirit that might be labeled mystical.

Those who advocate contemplative prayer promote the use of spiritual directors who are supposed to hear the Holy Spirit's personal voice in response to the life stories expressed by the directees.

===>Why is it OK to have disciplers and teachers and mentors who give us scriptural wisdom but not a director who does the same? A spiritual director is not a substitute for the Spirit (anymore than a teacher or mentor), just a vessel through which the Spirit may speak.

Their purpose and goal is to lead these vulnerable ones

===>Ouch ... Most of the people I know who use a spiritual director are mature Christians who do a great job at teaching/preaching/serving others. Vulnerable is an ungracious term to use.

to some newer level of freedom and closeness with Christ, a job the Bible says belongs strictly to the Holy Spirit Himself (John 16:13). Now, it is true that the Holy Spirit leads and guides His people, but He doesn't need a spiritual director to help Him. He can handle it (Romans 8:26-28).

===>Oh that I had a newer level of freedom and closeness to Christ!! Jesus doesn't need writers or bloggers or ...

Futhermore, He leads us through His Word, not through any extra-biblical revelation. God is not going from person to person telling them new things as they enter the "silence." This teaching totally undermines the fact that the Bible is able to make us complete and adequate for every good work (2 Timothy 3:16-17). What God has said He has said, and anybody who adds or takes away from it does wrong (Revelation 22:18-19). We are sanctified in the Word, for it is truth (John 17:17). We do not grow spiritually, nor are we formed spiritually or to be guided spiritually by anything outside of the Word of God. This notion of emptying our minds and being freed from our thoughts such that we can hear the voice of God is found nowhere in the Bible. God does speak, but He speaks through His Word as we seek Him in truth and by His Spirit.

Being guided by the Word of God does not mean that we are to repeat single words and short phrases, thinking on them over and over again until we are no longer conscience that we are thinking at all. This is called using mantras, a distinctly pagan practice for the purpose of losing thoughts and feelings. Yet this is the driving force of spiritual formation and contemplative prayer. The teaching is to be so close to God that you just commune with Him rather than communicate with Him. In other words, they believe that God's presence is experienced most deeply without the mind and the emotions. Prayingchurch.com of the ELCA says this, "Respond to God's presence with an act of faith. Do not allow your thoughts or feelings to get in the way[1]" (emphasis added). And again, "When thoughts come into your mind, gently let go of them and focus on a single word, such as - Jesus, Lord, Love." "Center your attention and desire on God. Leave your thoughts and feelings peacefully[2]". Nowhere in the Bible does it say to abandon thoughts and feelings. Rather, it says to think on what is good, right, pure, and noble (Philippians 4:8). It says to have our minds transformed according to the Word of God (Romans 12:1-2). It says to take wrong thoughts captive, which only an active, engaged mind could do (2 Corinthians 10:5). It does not say to stop thinking and feeling. Such teaching is outright pagan and New Age.

===>OK, these instructions are off-center (being centered is good!). What we have is a valid way of praying (contemplative) that can be liberalized too far ... just like preaching, doing good works, whatever. In my opinion, it is not contemplative praying that is critically wrong but those who take the focus off of Christ and the Word. Let's not throw out another baby with dirty bath water.

This contemplative prayer and centering movement is a dangerous addition to any Christian's prayer life. It is not God who speaks in the contemplative's "silence." Whoever is speaking to the Buddhists and to those practicing New Age and to any other mystics is the same being who is speaking in this "silence." Satan, our enemy, gives new pseudo-revelation (Galatians 1:8-9) and enjoys what he can manipulate when a mind is altered by any means, whether drugs, alcohol, hypnosis, or centering prayer. We are to be filled with the Spirit (Ephesians 5:18), which happens when we remain alert and sober. Notice why Peter commands us to remain alert and sober: "Be of sound judgment and sober spirit for the purpose of prayer" (1 Peter 4:7). If we want to grow in our prayer life and in Jesus, we must stay sober and remain in a state where we can make sound judgments. It is only when we stay alert and mentally conscious and engaged that we can truly pray and honor Christ.

===>I mean no disrespect to the writer and I appreciate their concern and the warning but we cannot disparage a type of payer the Church has been practicing for centuries. "Lord, bless this author/servant of Christ and help us all learn to listen carefully to the voice of your Spirit who will lead us into truth."


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Saturday, May 17, 2008

Inner~View #39: Practical Guide for Life, Ministry AND Praying

A Practical Guide for Life and Ministry: Overcoming 7 Challenges Pastors Face

Phil Miglioratti interviewed Pastor David Horner

PM ~ David, you write that you began this book ten years ago - How is it different today than what it might have been had you completed it ten years ago?

DH ~ It’s amazing what looking back over ten years does to one’s perspective! Many of the issues I wanted to address back then emerged from previous years of experience and shaped to basic categories I knew had the potential to throw my life out of balance. That summer in 1998 when I took about three weeks away to write the outline for the book, I had no idea of knowing how much I would need these principles over the next few years.


As I mentioned in the book, ministry took some hard turns as the Lord refined me through the fires of adversity. Many of the ideas and concepts I included in the initial outline were fleshed later out in real life circumstances. I did not have to rely on stories about the experiences of others in illustrating what I was learning during that time, whether for good or bad.Practical Guide for Life and Ministry, A, David Horner, 978-0-8010-9195-7

There is no way I could have known how pertinent these sections on challenges pastors face would be in my own life if had I completed the book before I had been through some of the struggles myself.. Like the Lord often does, He prepares us in advance for what is coming. By having this book in process, the lessons contained in it were valuable beyond words for me as I saw the benefit from them in a very personal way.

PM ~ Most "practical guides" are filled with lists and step-by-step instructions. Your book is laced with words like wisdom, discernment, cultivating, developing, fighting, seizing, running. Chapters include "Owning my mistakes" and "Coming out of the desert." You seem to approach life and ministry (and the challenges they bring) differently than others ...

DH ~ As you noted, I am not sure the term “practical guide” best conveys what I tried to communicate. Hopefully it is practical and does serve to guide our thinking, but I am more inclined to explore the Scriptures for biblical principles and wisdom than a summary of “how-to’s” which might suggest that following Christ can be reduced to a series of lists. I hope that is not that different from how others approach life and ministry! I am convinced that walking with Christ cannot always be boiled down to practical terms. There is a need for reflection and contemplation, a time for being still in the presence of the Lord and allowing Him to speak. If those elements are missing, we become Christian technicians checking off our list of “must-do’s” instead of relying on and seasoning of our lives with the Word of God so that the flavor of who we are arises from a relationship, not performance.

Now don’t get me wrong, there is a very practical side to these things and I am glad when I find it. But like most everyone in ministry, I long to know Christ more and want to cultivate a desire to please Him in all things. That is what fuels my passion to keep my life in a balance of obedience to Him at every point.

PM ~ Why do you label the challenges pastors face as threats? Are you concerned for your pastoral colleagues?

DH ~ The underlying premise of the book is that life and ministry tend to be full of situations that throw us out of balance. I tried to identify those special challenges that tend to threaten our equilibrium, unseat us from the saddle or knock us from the high-wire—pick your own metaphor!

I am very concerned for my pastoral colleagues and for all who pursue ministry. From what I have seen and experienced, there are more models of unbalanced living than there are of stable, balanced ones. Somehow the idea that passion for ministry must lead us to be extra obedient in some areas to compensate for our negligence or disobedience in others has gained wide acceptance. Many pastors are trying to be God’s best as a ministry leader but doing so at the expense of their biblical responsibilities in the home. Others are effective at doing ministry but failing to grow the intimacy of their relationship with Christ.

The danger or threat, as I understand it, is to reject the tension between the two and try to excel in one area and pray for grace to cover the others. God never calls us to be disobedient in one place in order to prosper in another. That notion threatens the balance of pastors, young and old.

PM ~ You do not isolate prayer as a topic but it seems to me each chapter is ripe with praying potential. Please give us a sentence or two on how a pastor might apply prayer to each of the seven challenges in your book.

DH ~

1. Juggling the demands of your calling: Knowing your calling is from the Lord requires wisdom we do not naturally possess. Therefore, James tells us that if we lack wisdom to ask for it. If you are struggling to refine your understanding of your calling, ask the Lord to help you discern between what He has placed before you and all the other ideas clamoring for your attention.

2. Sharpening the focus of your vision: Without vision the people perish, so it is important to make certain our vision is Christ-centered, biblical, large enough for God to get the glory, clear enough to be understood and compelling enough to engage the hearts of others who will follow your lead. Therefore, Jeremiah says that those who would speak a vision from the Lord must “stand in the council of the Lord” and listen for Him to speak. Pray, then, that each point of your vision matches His calling and character.

3. Gaining balance by building teams: As we stand before the Lord in prayer, we are made immediately aware of our dependence on Him. Apart from Him we can do nothing and prayer serves to reinforce that reality as our finitude comes up against His infinite nature. To move from that perspective to the idea that we are sufficient in ourselves violates the biblical design of being a part of the body of Christ. So we pray that God will place us in teams of Christ-like, gifted people who will join us in seeking His best.

4. Cultivating genuine humility: Knowing our own hearts to be susceptible to pride, we pray that God will use whatever means He chooses to remind us to humble ourselves so that He can exalt us Himself if ever He chooses to do so.

5. Learning to grow through your troubles: While we are not inclined to ask for trouble, neither should we shy away from it. Peter tells us not to be surprised when painful trials come our way but to see them as God’s way of revealing His glory in us through them. Therefore, we pray that as troubles come we have the eyes of the Spirit to see them from His perspective and not be afraid or anxious. Instead, give thanks for them and in them because they represent another opportunity to trust the Lord and grow.

6. Facing the inevitability of change: Since change comes with the territory when we commit our lives to follow Christ, we pray that we will develop the ability to see change with an openness to go anywhere and do anything that Christ sets before us. We also pray that we will not be quick to race off after unhealthy change nor stubbornly resist healthy change and have the discernment to know the difference.

7. Combating spiritual dryness: Early detection is beneficial not only for certain types of cancer but in recognizing the symptoms of spiritual dryness. Our prayer should be that the Lord would give us sensitivity to His Spirit so that when dryness begins to set in, we will see it for what it is. Then we can pray that the Lord will show us how to overcome it, how to avoid the factors that have produced it and what He has already provided to refresh our hearts.

PM ~ Please comment on these statements in the book ...

DH ~

"Not all mistakes are sins" – Genuine guilt needs to be addressed with confession and repentance because the guilt arises from those times we have fallen short of the glory of God. Yet there are other mistakes that we make that arise from ignorance (we offend someone by calling them by the wrong name), miscalculation (we budgeted only half as much as we needed for the new copier), misguided enthusiasm (we got excited and failed to consider all the implications of a course of action—we committed to give every six grader a new Bible when there were ten sixth graders but the church now has over a hundred sixth graders and the cost is exorbitant!). So every mistake is not the result of sin, but could be attributed to any number of other factors.

"We have lost a real sense of God's presence in our lives" – The reality of God as the Lord who is a living, real Person gets lost sometimes when we treat Him as a remote Deity who is powerful and wise and ever-present but not near enough in our experience of Him to be personal and intimate. We believe that He is and intends to be, but in our haste or neglect we miss Him and fail to connect with Him in a meaningful way.

"Sound doctrine and orthodox biblical theology have satisfied the appetite of your mind but never penetrated the hunger in your heart to know, love and serve God" -- Being informed about God and having knowledge in our mind, even when it is true and accurate, is never intended to be substitute for loving Him and knowing Him personally. Like the previous statement about the loss of a real sense of His presence in our lives, our knowledge can become academic and impersonal, theoretical and technical. God calls us to know Him in such a way that the “surpassing value of knowing Christ” leads immediately to loving Him. Curiosity about God and a hunger to know and love Him are different longings. He wants us to understand and know Him, to love Him and seek Him, to draw near to Him and walk with Him. Only an intimate relationship with Christ will satisfy the deep hunger in our hearts for God.

"The indispensable quality of humility" – Humility is not optional for those who follow Christ, nor is it reserved for some upper level course in discipleship. To walk humbly before God is to know and experience the wonder of grace—unmerited favor poured out unconditionally from the heart of an awesome, holy God upon a fallen, unworthy creature, a sinful person. No one can stand in the presence of God and maintain a prideful spirit or pretend to be deserving of His good mercy. Therefore, humility represents the normal state of a transformed heart and is “indispensable” in anyone who desires to manifest evidence of the power of the gospel in their lives.

PM ~ How does a pastor begin moving toward a balanced perspective on spirituality and the challenges of ministry?

DH ~ Awareness of the dangers threatening his balance usually starts a pastor on the road toward recovery of this important aspect of his life and ministry. For those who do not realize how easily they can be neutralized for effective ministry by imbalance in their spiritual lives, no move toward balance even occurs to them. But for every pastor who has sensed that life is spinning out of control by forces over which he has no control, the starting point for gaining and maintaining balance is identifying the primary problem areas threatening his equilibrium. Once the problem areas are identified, solutions arise through prayer and careful study of the Scriptures, through reflection and wise counsel from veterans of the same conflicts. The key is never to accept imbalanced living as the status quo for people in ministry. God calls us to faithfulness in every area of our lives and has promised to provide everything necessary for that to happen.

PM ~ David, please write a prayer pastors reading this can pray that gets us moving toward balance and away from the threats of life and ministry.

DH ~

Great and glorious God of all wisdom,

    Merciful Father and Gracious Savior,

Awaken my heart to the completeness

of your design for my life,

in your provisions for my success,

of your calling for my ministry.

There is no want for those who fear you,

no slighting of those who follow you, and

no indifference toward those who trust you.

Your ways are perfect in conception and in execution.

Therefore, when I am feeling overwhelmed

By the weight of my responsibilities,

By my personal insufficiencies,

By a nagging sense of failure,

I will remember that you called me and

that you sustain me;

that you have promised me and

that you have provided for me.

Then I will come to you and call on you

to restore me

to a life of balanced obedience

to the freedom of a confident calling,

to the joy of a Christ-centered priority in all things.

Thank you for the perfect sufficiency of Christ,

for the fullness of His grace,

for the privilege of being His bondservant.

May I never begrudge this honor of service,

Complain about the busy-ness of ministry, or

Act as if your glory depended upon my effectiveness.

Take my life and ministry and
hold me securely in your hand.

Set my feet on a rock that cannot be shaken,

Secure my stance with a balance that cannot be threatened.

I take my stand in Christ, dearest Lord,

And rest in the stability of His power. Amen.


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Thursday, May 15, 2008

"Depart daily, withdraw weekly, and abandon annuallly"

Snow Days

By Rick Ezell

"There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God's rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from his" (Hebrews 4:9-10 NIV).


"We need to depart daily, withdraw weekly, and abandon annually."-Rick Warren


In recent years catastrophic accidents-Exxon Valdez, Three Mile Island, Chernobyl, the fatal navigational error of Korean Air Lines 007, the Challenger space shuttle disaster -all occurred i